Gig Work’s Biggest Perk Is Becoming Its Biggest Problem | Ep 303

We bounce from a major union milestone for rideshare drivers to the everyday grind of app glitches, background checks, and pay that keeps sliding. We also dig into delivery fees that turn small orders into big bills, Gen Z jumping into gig work, and what self-driving cars and safety stories mean for the road ahead. 

• Massachusetts rideshare drivers forming the first US rideshare union and what negotiations could change 
• Why higher driver pay has to show up somewhere in fares, incentives, or profits 
• The real driver fear behind sudden deactivations and the need for an appeal process 
• A seatbelt beeping story that turns into a talk on rider safety and basic etiquette 
• Lyft background checks and why drivers get blocked at the worst times 
• Grubhub reactivation loops and the support black box problem 
• The fee stack that makes delivery feel like a scam to customers 
• Why stacked orders can hurt food quality and long-term demand 
• Gen Z growth in gig work and what more drivers means for pay 
• Lyft aiming at corporate travel and bundling perks 
• Waymo clips, self-driving partnerships, and what “asset light” really means 
• A tragic DoorDash follow-up and what it says about driver conduct and consequences 

Transcript

Welcome And Summer Plans

SPEAKER_03 0:23

Hello, hello. Welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast, episode three hundred and three. Uh yeah, we're gonna talk about a lot of shit. Driverless cars, dangerous drivers, and a union breakthrough. Everyone loves unions, I know, especially Bubba Sue on this show. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Such a big union support. Oh my god. I've never I've never seen such a big union support.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Yes, yes. So thank you. Bubba Sue's here. Traveler, thank you guys uh so much for joining. Larry Duncan, how are you?

SPEAKER_04 0:53

I'm doing well, man. I'm excited and pumped for the show. It's I'm always excited to be here with you and do this. And then right after we wrap the show tonight, I gotta get my butt to bed because my flight leaves at I gotta board at 5 15 a.m. tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

5 15 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 1:09

In Nashville. In Nashville. So that's our shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

You're gonna be leaving at like three in the morning. I'll be leaving earlier than that. Oh my god. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

Remind me again where you're going. Uh going to Lake Anna in Virginia. Uh my bonus kids always rent a lake house in the summer.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

And uh we always go down there. A lot of times their their uh bio dad will come for the first part of the week, then me and my wife will come a second part of the week. But my wife and daughter actually drove, they headed out early this morning. They're about maybe 30 minutes from the lake house right now. So they'll get there tonight and I'll fly out tomorrow. Yeah, one day we're gonna have a boat and a jet ski. Very cool. It'll be it'll be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

So yeah, just for and that's why you're off next week. Programming note next week, uh, Gabe. Or no, you're not off for vacation next week, are you?

SPEAKER_04 1:57

No, next week is a big project and we have to change out all our network equipment at all of our campuses, so it's gonna be late night.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

You won't be there. Uh, Gabe will be here uh next week, Wednesday, and then just kind of a programming note. Um, so last summer I did the shift hustle show. It was by myself, and I fucking hated it. So we're gonna do something a little different this year or this summer, change it up, just have a you know, just something different. Um every other week, Larry and I are gonna do food delivery live. We're gonna stream it live. So that'll be kind of fun. So, like next week, regular show, the week after that, we're gonna do it live. I don't know how long we'll be on. We'll at least be on for an hour. Uh, and I just think it'll be fun. We're not gonna take passengers just to make it easier to keep it.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

It might be 45 minutes of me sitting in my car just waiting for an order.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

I mean, you better you better park right in front of the McDonald's. You think your food delivery would be that slow? It might be.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

I don't know. Holy Christ. I I'll go park out uh uh alone Scott's Rare. That's our main our main food restaurant drag. So I was gonna say I'll be in the thick of it then.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

You might have to do that or drive to Nashville or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:07

Don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Well, you better get your you better get your talking skills out because I hopefully I'm a little busier. But anyways, yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna do that. I mean, we'll have all the apps on. Still struggling with Grubhub, Larry. They've have you so this is what's happening. They re they say I'm react, I'm activated, reactivated. Yeah, and then they're like, okay, you're good to go, whatever. So then I go log into the app, I put my my email and my password, and it sends me to uh an article that says if you're getting this, you either uh fuck.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

I send them the same thing we got when we had to reactivate.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's what it is. It's like it's like a uh a loop. Um shit. Let me bring it up a minute. Yeah, let's see.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

I think mine did that at first, and then like maybe a couple days later it finally went on. I've gotten I had it on this weekend and I I got like maybe two offers and they neither one of them are worth it, so I didn't take them, but okay. Uh I'm gonna take one here soon just to be familiar with the app again.

SPEAKER_03 4:15

Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if I if I'm waiting too long. Because so they sent me the the email that I'm good to go, and then at like a week later I go to log in, and it just it's just like a a cycle, and it sends me to that form. You you know, you may have been whatever, you haven't delivered in a year or whatever. There's options, so it's annoying. So the last time I got a re a different email just randomly said, Hey, we're taking this opportunity to let you know we're reactivating. You could be re like it was a separate one, it wasn't me reaching out, it was them reaching out to me. And I'm like, I'm already I supposed to be fucking activated. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 4:48

I'm reaching out to you, you're reaching out to me. Come on, yeah, I and put me back on this thing.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Where's the disconnect here? So this time I filled it out and I'm like, listen, you guys, and I like you know, three paragraphs, and then I sent them the screenshot of the what it keeps sending me to, and hopefully I haven't seen anything yet. But I'm like, how how fucking hard is this? Like, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_04 5:09

I don't know, man. Yeah, sometimes uh it reminds you like trying to get back on GoPuff or something.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

Right. Uh I had trouble with Roadie like that too for a while until I think UPS bought him, but I gave up on roadie um and just like trying to get back on it. I mean, it really wasn't great. I mean, we're still kind of waiting for remember when our trip was last year. Uh Gabe and Faith were talking, or Gabe was already doing it. I think Faith had it launched while we were in Nashville.

SPEAKER_04 5:39

The good the the good order shit.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

The good yeah, the the mail and all that stuff, but I haven't seen that here, so who knows? But um literally, Larry, I have nothing from Stories of the Road. Uh, I did not uh drive, I was up north uh for the holiday weekend. It was shitty weather, of course. Um, and which Memorial Day can, you know, it's it's a gamble. Um and that one, and then of course, Monday when we go home, it's beautiful out. So, you know, that's Murphy's Law. But anyways, so we'll jump into gig economy news gig economy in the news.

Grubhub Reactivation Login Loop

SPEAKER_03 6:16

Uh kind of a big story. There's not a lot of details on it yet, but there is uh Larry talking about the union, which Babasue loves.

SPEAKER_04 6:26

Yeah, so right the rideshare drivers in Massachusetts have uh uh officially become the first in the United States to become uh to unionize. So uh it says the Massachusetts Department of Labor says that the uh roughly 70,000 rideshare drivers uh can band together certifying the drive. It's called the app drivers union last week, 18 months after voters in the state approved uh a vote on that measure. Uh organizers are behind the union push, um, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. I don't know how they fit in to that, but that's that's who helped organize them. Uh so they're gonna be said they'll be reaching out and asking them for dates to negotiate. Um the governor there is is uh she is said she is fully on board. She thinks this will mean better pay, better wages for them and their families. But you know, of course, the MIT economist says if rise there wages increase, that money has to come from somewhere. It can come from higher fares or smaller driver incentives or lower profit margins. You know, it's got to come from somewhere, it doesn't dismaterialize out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Right.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Um, of course, you know, the the company's Uber released a statement saying we will ensure that driver flexibility and hard-won benefits remain the foundation of our progress. And Lyft said Lyft does well when drivers do well.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

Right. I I'd be curious. I want why Babasou doesn't like the union. What what what don't you like about unions? I'm just curious. Do you know in general or just for rideshare? And I will say I don't know how this is gonna work for rideshare. I mean, it it it it comes across as like a union, but I mean it could be just like a rule like New York has. You know what I mean? Because that's basically what it is. It makes it fair for all, right? That's what unions do. Like, you know, the workers get paid the the a fair wage, you know, retirement, all that stuff. Everything's fair equally uh along. But I don't know how they're gonna do that. They should just do what you New York did. This is our minimum wage or whatever, it's $24 or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what you think about that.

SPEAKER_04 8:31

I think it would it would it'd be a whole lot easier, and I think you know, a union, I I think there certainly um certainly is a place for unions, and certainly was they were needed, I think, much more in in the past, but uh it really it can really dismuddy the waters. It really can.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

I mean the thing is is you have someone to fight for the pay and stuff like that. That's that's the point of it. I mean, I just got done uh negotiating a pay raise for uh us bus drivers, you know. That's that's what it's there for instead of us letting them because like in in our field, if you there is no union, the the admin just decides what they want to fucking do, and you know what they're gonna do, they're not gonna pay you because they want to save money.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

Yeah, and I like said they can be good and bad. I know a friend of mine uh that I worked with here, uh good friend of mine, he was working here. We were working for Hills uh pet food uh factory, and he moved to Louisville, and so he uh he transferred Hills is was uh uh at least at that time, I'm not sure if they still are. I think they are, but they were owned by Colgate Palm Olive, of course. And so he yeah, so he moved to Louisville and they they had a uh toothpaste plant up there. And so he trade, he just kind of transferred within the company to that factory, but they were a union factory and he couldn't believe it. Like he he's like, I I go in there and he's a hard worker, he cannot, he's one of those guys that can't kind of like you, can't stand still for too long, right? Gotta be doing something. And he would he would just tell me stories like man, you go in, these people are are are sleeping on the job, they're they're literally sleeping and they can't be fired.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah, it it it has gotten out of control. I know GM had the same problem and it kind of cooked them. Do you remember? I I can't remember if it what was it with the 08 crash or whatever? I don't know. The the union cooked themselves because they kept asking for an obscene amount of money, and yeah, it it's gotta be it that can't happen. I'd lose my mind for that too. I I absolutely would.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Oh, it drove him crazy, man. He could not stand it.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

They they it and what happened, it's what happened, and they kept telling them if y'all keep up like this, we're losing, we're we're losing money and we will close the plant. Yeah, and he's like, they know ignored it, and what happened? He's like, I got laid off because they shut the plant down.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Yeah, they're like, fuck it. You guys are asking too much, you're not working hard enough. Well, fuck you, we'll just go somewhere else. No, I get it. They're not perfect by any means. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

And they have to I do agree they they have a uh they have a place and and uh a use for sure.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

Yeah, um, but yeah, I like I said, I don't know how it's gonna work for Ryder, other than having some sort of representation of like we get this, we get this, which you know Yeah, and we've talked about it having some kind of board or something where if you're just all of a sudden you open your app and it's like you've been you've been cut off, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:19

You've been you've been and for they they're for no reason that that you know of, you can't get the reason out of them, they won't tell you most of the time. Which that is horrible. Yes, yeah, especially for people who are doing it full time. So uh, you know, if you have a you know a place to uh appeal that, you know, I can see that as a good thing. Yeah, having some kind of a some kind of a way to uh you know agree that they just can't keep taking more and more and more and more. See, that's the point.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Like they can't just, you know, that's what they fuck you right now. They can just come in and say, Right, whatever. And even even if they came in like you talked about they closed that plant, they could come in and say, Well, we're not gonna do ride share in New Jersey anymore, or we're not gonna do easy cater. And you know, it's just like you don't have any say in it. And again, I know we don't we talk about we don't want to be employees, and I don't either, right? But if we can have the best of both worlds, that'd be great. But it is a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

I mean, yeah, because I mean I yeah, this is why I tell people all the time because people are like, Oh, you still Uber and you know, still still doing lift and uber and all. I'm like, you know, not as much. I'm like, you know, I've done it for nine years, and every year they pay me less. Yeah, what job would you stay at where they pay you less every year instead of paying you more?

SPEAKER_03 12:31

And and I think you know nobody, and I think the thing is is like people love it because of the yeah, freedom, the flexibility, the flexibility, and and that's why I do it too. Like, yeah, if I there ain't no fucking way I would drive bus if every year they docked us 50 cents an hour. I'd be like, Are you exactly nuts?

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Yeah, yeah. What are you thinking? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

Yeah, that that is so strange when you really break it down.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything look, I mean, look how much higher gas is and groceries and how much everything's gone up, and they're paying us less than they did nine years ago.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

And but I think they know they got some people locked in, they got these people.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

They know there's always enough people, and if it ever gets to that point where they, you know, they're hurting for drivers, you know, they will have to adjust, but they haven't reached that point yet.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

Yeah, that's that's such a good point. When when are we gonna you know get more money and until they there's less drivers? But people love the flexibility of it, and they just you know, okay, I'm making a little less now, but I'm still making money, so I guess I'm but I don't know how people are doing it with I mean, I can't imagine paying five bucks a gallon and doing gig work full-time on a on a gas guzzler.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Yeah, yeah. And yeah, you know, like yeah, there's always people do it. And spoiler alert to one of our stories we're doing later on tonight, uh, younger people, younger people are getting into it even more. Right. So we'll talk about that later.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Um, this woman, uh no video on this, but tell me what you would do.

Massachusetts Rideshare Union Breakthrough

SPEAKER_03 13:56

She uh was taking or her and his girl, her and her girlfriends were taking a trip to Nashville, and uh basically what happened was it so this is this is where it's confusing. So in a viral clip 400,000 views, uh the creator Rhea shows that she's in a car with four other women. So it have to be three in the back, right? One in the front seat, and everyone seems dressed up for a day or a night out. All but one are also visibly buckled in. So us when the Uber driver okay, so basically what's happening, they're saying that the driver wasn't buckled, and for the entire hour ride to Nashville, it beeped. And it says no, he didn't say anything. He didn't he just ignored it, but he ignored it for a whole hour. Um I'd be saying something pretty quick. I don't know how how can you here's the thing though, I I read the article and it doesn't really uh it doesn't really show does is it one of her friends? Is she the one without this? You know what I mean? I assume they all put theirs on, but they never really blame the driver in the article. Did you notice that?

SPEAKER_04 15:07

Yeah, because I mean most of them they don't make any sound if it's just somebody unbuckled in the back seat does, though. Yeah, the front seat does.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

Um and maybe that's just implied it was him through the story with the way they said it. But why why first of all, I I don't care if you don't wear your seatbelt. Like, I don't care about your life, but I don't want to hear that ding for an hour. Why didn't they fucking say anything? I don't understand it, or get another Uber.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Yeah, who knows? I mean, and I uh I mean I can I can think of one reason if they're driving an hour these days, it's probably hard to get a driver because nobody wants to do long trips because they don't pay squat anymore.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Good point. Um, yeah, I just can't imagine just tolerating that. I mean, I give the if uh um when one of my passengers doesn't have a belt on in the front, I give it one ding and I'm like, hey, put your seatbelt on. Like I don't I don't I'm not polite. Well, I'm not I'm not mean about it, but I'm just like this is a demand and not a request.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Yeah, luckily mine it'll ding for a little bit and then it'll shut off and then it uh then it then it just cuts off.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

Really? Yeah. In the front seat?

SPEAKER_04 16:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Oh no. My my uh mine ding and ding and ding and ding. So put that fucker on and and why wouldn't you anyways?

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's weird nowadays. I like I I can't remember the last time I've driven in a car in the front seat, especially without a seatbelt.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Well, I can front seat. The last time I didn't have one on is probably a couple of times when we were in Nashville and I was crammed all the way in the back and you couldn't.

SPEAKER_04 16:48

Yeah, now now the back I can yeah, the those I can under I could understand that. Um I I think I there were a few times in Nashville I didn't either last year.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Yeah, I mean it's just a pain in the back. And like, but if like you and I were just in the backseat, I would put one on.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

If it was like if I had room, I didn't feel right without my seatbelt on anymore.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Yeah, andy really trust. I mean, you don't you know nothing about this person.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

Not only that, even if I trust them, all the other people, all the other idiots in Nashville driving around.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

Well, I I would be I know the kids are gone for college, but it would be interesting to you do a study. How many people act how many of those kids actually put belts on in the back? Probably not very many. Probably not, probably not. You know, you got one goody two shoe, so which is great. I mean, I I tease them goody two shoes, excuse me, of course, fucking Dr. Pepper making me burp. Um, I tease them goody two shoe, but that no, they're the smart ones putting their seat. Yeah, they're the smart ones for sure.

Seatbelts, Safety, And Passenger Etiquette

SPEAKER_03 17:48

So uh Larry got a picture from Lyft, and they're they're notorious for this when he's probably going out to freaking drive.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

Exactly. Yeah, I was. This was this weekend when I was going out to drive, and uh so turn on, you know, I'm sitting in my garage, turn on the apps, and this popped up. And I'm ready, I'm like, less than three weeks, and it wouldn't let me on. Yeah, three weeks is wild. So I was like, this can't be right. So I I I foreclosed it and I I I kept trying, and after about the third try, it just it let me on.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Really? It did. Really?

SPEAKER_04 18:22

I didn't think it was going to, but I I think the second or third time I tried it, it it it just went on, it went ahead and came on. So I'm like, all right, I guess I'm good to go. So yeah, I went out and drove and yeah, I never got the message again.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Did you have you gotten an email that it was approved and everything yet? Or no? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

I haven't got an email about that.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Yeah, I don't understand why. I mean, I understand why they wait to do it until you go online because why should they spend the money? What if you never went on the app again? I understand that, but I kind of wish they would give you an email that said, Hey, this is due. We're not gonna send it until you log in, but I don't know, something to give you a heads up or or just let us drive when it's pending and then kick us off if it's bad, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 19:07

Exactly. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's been it's been probably a year since then. You know, what's another week or two? Right. If you find out something, kick me off then. But yeah, I've never understood why they've uh why they've done that. But I mean, I had it's been uh it's probably been like three years since I've had downtime because of a background, but that one was like six weeks.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

I do feel like lifted does it two or three times a year because if I go for a longer stretch without doing it and I go to sign on, it'll throw it up there. We're doing a background check. I'm like, I swear to god, you just did one like four months ago.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

Yeah, we need to keep a log. Keep a log.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

I know we we swear on stuff that happened, it probably didn't happen.

SPEAKER_04 19:50

It's probably three years ago. We're like, man, that was six months ago.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Oh man, yeah. Well, I wish they would do it better, but you know, like we said, we don't really have any control of that.

SPEAKER_04 20:02

So yeah, I'm just glad I finally was able to get on because like it's gonna be slow enough. I had Lyft, Uber, uh, Doordash, Grabhub all turned on.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

Really?

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Yeah, yeah. And curry and curry on.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

So you're you're gonna have to be you're gonna you're gonna have to be real creative. Is there a way we can I here's the thing, we gotta figure we might be able to do passengers, but we gotta figure out a way to like darken the screen. Like maybe maybe you like leave the studio and then just turn your phone off. I don't know. I don't know if it would kick you out. We'll have to play around with it that night. Because if you're slow, I mean it, I mean that's I mean, that ain't gonna work if you can get no orders. You'd be talking the whole damn hour, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

That's right, man. What about Spark? You could go try to Spark. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

I mean you'll get orders for Spark. They're not gonna be, you know, millionaire orders, but you'll definitely get some orders for Spark.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

I'll do it for content.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Yeah, there we go. Team player, yay. Take one, take one for the team. Yeah. All right.

Lyft Background Checks And Going Live

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Uh moving on here. Patreon.com slash the Gigacom podcast. You can support us. We'd love to get a new person signed up for the summer to help with some expenses and the Larry's drinking. Uh, you get an extra podcast a week, which we record every episode uh or every night we record a regular show. We have a Patreon, 8 10 p.m. Uh, you get a t-shirt, you get all kinds of stuff. You get ad-free episodes so you don't have to see the ads, hear the ads, any of that stuff. We uh cut all that out for you. So patreon.com slash the gigacon podcast. And I thank Samson, Bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal Kickass, and Anna. Appreciate you guys so much for supporting the show. Uh, just an update on um Uh, the old quipper there. Whoopsies, clippy, whoopie. Uh, I've gotten nothing so far. It's been live. Um, I did sign up for the the inflatable blow-up thing. I'm still waiting to get go live on that. Because I was like, I might as well go live on everything, right? I mean, yeah. It's summertime, maybe I can get it going, but yeah, I'm I don't know how to promote it. Like, how do I do I have to? I mean, I have done none of the training. Look, well, it's it's not mandatory, and I haven't met with a mentor, but like, how do I pro I almost have to run my own ad, right? Like a Facebook ad.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

Yeah, yeah. I don't know where else you would promote it. I mean unless you just want to spam Facebook channel or uh Middleton or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

But but it's it it is a niche thing, meaning like if I'm putting it in my local group, well, they they're not traveling, they live here, so why would they use it?

SPEAKER_04 22:58

Yeah, you would want you would want to find something like a tri, yeah, definitely like a travel group. Uh yeah, something like that. I don't know. Or run run some ads um that can target tribal or tribal, you know, tribal people.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yeah, so I mean I wasn't expecting it to explode. I had looked at some of the local ones around me, and they didn't have like five, six hundred reservations. Some of them were 30, some had like 150, 175, and some were like 10. So, but the prices were crazy on some of them. So I'm like, I'm right where I should be. I even lowered a little bit of the prices, so we'll see. I mean, I know we're still in school, it's not travel season yet, so I'm not too worried. Um, but I just don't know. Like, I want to know what is the best way for me to get the word out, I guess, other than like family referrals and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

But yeah, get on the on the other channels to to advertise that blew up inflatable thing.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Yeah, I mean, I I actually don't even know what it was. Well, they made me add one that's already available, like some sort of like smaller baby one. I'm like, is this the shit that I'm gonna be renting? Because this doesn't sound good. And I haven't seen like my site's not live. Actually, I should I didn't get an email. I should just look just to see. Oh, fuck me. I gotta I hate logging into shit. Isn't it what that's what cookies are for to keep me logged in? Like, come on. Um, let's see. Yeah, I still well I could do baby quip cleaning. I'm definitely not doing that. Uh so so yeah, currently I only have the rental and then I don't have the the inflatables yet. So um yeah. Anyways, it the uh Anna's name triggered me talking about Quip. I wasn't planning on talking about it, but that's all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:50

That's all right. We can divert for a minute.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

Yeah, it happens. Um all right, so yeah, support the show fuckers. All right. Um, so this video is funny.

The Real Cost Of Delivery Fees

SPEAKER_03 25:00

It's about a minute 40. It talks about the insane prices that we have if you order to order delivery. And like again, Larry and I both say, I don't know how you do it. I've done it once in the last month because I had a ten dollar credit for my uh credit card because you have Dash Pass. Um, so I got ice cream for like delivered for like four bucks or something like that. But other than that, without all the the credits and stuff, I don't know why it's worth it. But this guy breaks down the fees.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

So if a large iced coffee's $4.99, you would pay $4.99 plus tax. No, you would pay $575 plus tax, you know, it's because the restaurants raise the menu prices to cover the fees. Okay, which means the total you would pay would be six dollars and fifteen cents. No, why would you think that's not enough? Yossial, it's because you still need to add the $4.99 service fee. That's why. Which means the total you would pay would be $11.14. No! Why would you think that's still not enough? Yosia, it's because you still need to pay the $3.99 delivery fee. You know, it's because that's why. Which means the total you would pay would be $15.13? No! Why would you you still need to add a tip, you know, so let's say that you tipped $4. Then that means the total you would pay would be $19.13. $19.13 for what? A large iced coffee. No! Why would you think it's a large warm coffee? You know, saying, Why can't I get an iced coffee? It's because you didn't pay the $199 priority fee, which means the driver's not prioritizing your delivery. Why do I have to pay all these fees for an iced coffee? It's because that's why.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Man, that uh that that hits close to home. I mean, it literally, he's not out of pocket by saying that. Right. He's not like the service fee is wild. Like, there's no it's just isn't that what the delivery fee is? Why are you charging why are you charging the customer delivery fee when I'm using my car and my gas? The delivery fee should go to me, fucker. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, that's freaking wild. That and it's true, $19 for a six coffee. Yeah, it's true. It is. It's it's really making me rethink on taking like multiples. You know what I mean? You you I'm really like gonna try to like dial in on like what kind of food it is, is is it a cold drink? Is it this? And be like, you know what? Okay, I'm I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna take a double or triple if it's gonna ruin the customer's experience, I guess. Because you know, we can say, you know, and I and I was on that guy before, I was like, fuck him, it's Uber's fault. We can do that, but we're if everyone does that too many times we're gonna shoot ourselves in the foot, right? Because there's gonna be no customers.

SPEAKER_04 28:23

Yeah. I mean, in seriously, though, yeah, they really will over time. Yeah, people will like I remember what happened last time, man. It took forever to get my food, and it was you know, it wasn't any good when they got here.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Yeah, yeah, and they're just like, Well, even that guy, uh he said, I'm canceling Uber one or whatever that it whatever the fucking thing is. And I'm like, I don't blame you. Like, what are you getting? I mean, I think the only thing I would spend extra on is the priority. I think I might spend two bucks to make it so that he might have a double or a triple, but mine's gonna be first, hopefully.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Yeah, yeah, unless somebody else had put priority earlier.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I mean, honestly, second priority, right? Honestly, if it's two bucks, I mean that's worth. I mean, you're already getting takeout, you know what I mean, basically. But it's hard to spend two dollars on top of all that for a drink. You know, if you're ordering a steak dinner, you're like two bucks, like what's another two bucks?

SPEAKER_04 29:21

Yeah, but yeah, but if you're just ordering a drink, I mean I can't imagine ordering just a drink to a food delivery anyway. But I mean, yeah, people are something small. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_03 29:32

I've people order a lot of coffee.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Yeah, I've delivered uh two donuts to a dude at like 2 30 in the morning. Well, that's drunk by the munchies bad, man. But why did he order two? Why not order a dozen, dude?

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Yeah, it's got yeah, fuck yeah. Two donuts? Two? Yes, two donuts. That's wild. Like, what a waste. You might yeah, you might as order six six. It's gonna be it's gonna be the same amount for the fees and shit.

SPEAKER_04 29:58

I mean, yeah, it's gonna bump your order up, but like yeah, yeah, I would like not, I would not do it for two donuts. No, fuck that.

Gen Z Joins The Gig Workforce

SPEAKER_03 30:06

So so uh Gen Z, which we so Gen Z, what is Gen Z? Gen Z. What years? What years are Gen Z, okay. Oh, okay. So it's uh 97 to 2012, so it's 14 to 29 year olds currently.

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Yeah, so yeah, this story is about uh Gen Z uh joining the gig economy, but not as consumers, but as the gig workers. So I says a lot of kids uh a lot of kids nowadays, instead of going to you know, spend the summer working as a lifeguard or scooping ice cream or uh you know something like that, working at a fast food place, a lot of them are turning in uh you know your DoorDash delivery people, or if you know if they're old enough doing stuff on Uber or Lyft, um things like that. So it says registrations among Gen Z uh as far as workers are up 8.4% compared to last year. It says across six major apps, they're talking about how much these apps you know have gone up in the last year. So across six major apps DoorDash, Uber, Instacart, Lyft, Ship, and GoPuff, daily active users are up 19% year over year. So the economy isn't just alive, it's thriving. Yeah. Um workers ages 17 to 25 are now the fastest growing group across four of the six apps as far as workers. Uh so yeah, fastest growing group, man. GoPub sees is seeing the wildest spike with young uh workers up nearly 100% year over year. Lyft jumped 30 or 70.3% and Uber 27.4%. So yeah, a lot of these people, you know, all these kids are seeing the flexibility um that goes into the gig work. They're like, you know, I can do it. I don't have to quit at you know, when school starts back up because nobody cares. And uh I know, I mean, this is what my son did all through college. He did DoorDash all through college. Yeah, that's that's how he made his money uh up in Cincinnati. You know, he was right across the river, but a lot of his stuff was he ended up doing in Cincinnati. So yeah, I can understand the attraction. You know, you hear these you know young kids that go to work at some of these places, and you know, they can be tough on the kids sometimes. It can be kind of intimidating with you have this manager who's being rough on you and stuff like this. So, like, screw that, man. I can just go deliver food and I don't have a boss and work when I want, and you know, lots of freedom. So I I see the attraction.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

Yeah, I do too. I I'm hoping most of those kids are doing it for like beer money, you know what I mean? Like your son obviously was putting you know for college, so that kind of hurts us as a whole, us gig workers that are well.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

I mean, it was his spending money. He wasn't doing it to pay for college.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

Oh, well, I know that, but yeah, but I mean, some I'm just saying someone that's doing it for like their regular bills, like paying a car payment, paying a phone payment. Like, I think that hurts, you know, guys like us when we're trying to I mean, not so much you, but like me coming up next week. I'm you know, I'm off my regular job, so gig work plays a pretty big role for me. And you know, that kind of hurts us. But it also calls back to when we were talking about raising the prices and that if the drivers fall off, then maybe they'll raise the prices. Well, it sounds like just what you just threw out there, like every app every year is going up, you know what I mean? So it's there we're not even in that position at all to uh raise prices because there's plenty of drivers to do the work.

SPEAKER_04 33:49

Yeah, yeah. The apps are going up, and and you know, we've talked about it. How many years we were talking we talked about over and over are the is are these apps ever gonna make money? And you know, Uber's making money, hand over fist, you know, Lyft is making money now, you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Allegedly.

SPEAKER_04 34:06

Yeah. But yeah, we're they're certainly not sharing it uh as much.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

No.

Lyft Targets Corporate Travel Perks

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Well, speaking of Lyft, uh, this story, Lyft is uh coming for corporate travel. The CEO, David Richher, said he's already speaking with CEOs like United Airlines about bundling Lyft with other corporate travel perks. And then he in quotes maybe it looks like this get a first class seat, get an automatic upgrade on Lyft to a TBR chauffeur. Does anyone know what that is?

SPEAKER_04 34:36

He said it's a it's a yeah, it's a chauffeur company. I think in Europe, the okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Referencing the European, oh, I'm an idiot. Referencing the European, read the next sentence, Dick. European chauffeur service uh lift bought for 110 million last year. So yeah, I mean, I get that. I know that they've I is this is this really gonna do it though? Like this thing's like touching in with the high-end people, you know what I mean? I don't think that's gonna really move the needle. Lyft also says they're trying to figure out what mobility looks like as self-driving cars increase in popularity. Late last year, the company struck a partnership with Waymo to launch self-driving options in Nashville, Tennessee. It is a little late to the game. Shocker. Uber struck its own deal with Waymo three years ago, but sure seems unbothered. He says that the truth is there's multiple approaches out there, and and nobody knows which one will win, which is a really good point. It is that's why Lyft is throwing or sorry, Uber's throwing everything they can at the wall. We said this before and see what's sticking. Yeah, yeah, see what works. Lyft isn't developing self-driving cars on its own, leaving that to Tesla, Waymo, and other companies. It wants to stick to serving as an asset light platform rather than run a fleet of its own cars, and also has subsidiaries that service and cleans autonomous vehicles. Huh. Yeah, I mean, I I agree. We when we started talking about a um autonomous vehicles, we were convinced that Uber was not gonna buy cars, they are not in the fleet buying business, but we kind of ate our own words because they're buying shit left and right.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

So I mean, we were, you know, we I mean we're convinced, and and and it's all of course speculation, but yeah, we were just basing it on past experience, right?

SPEAKER_04 36:22

Their past history, because that's what they always said, and yeah, you know, that's what they had always done. Uh and you know, but then then they keep taking more of our money, they can afford to buy some cars, right?

SPEAKER_03 36:33

Well, they kept saying that we're a transportation or a technology company, we're not a transportation company. So I mean, they're not gonna buy you know 30,000 autonomous vehicles. Why not have us fuckers buy it and do it? Like, I mean, I I thought that was gonna be the and maybe it still will. We've talked about it, I think maybe with Elon had mentioned it or something about like, yeah, you could buy it and then you could send it out yourself, which I mean we already make shit with us not driving. What are we gonna make sending out a an AV? You know, yeah, I mean, less than that.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

I mean, he fuck and so yeah, so if yeah, if I so I guess if you sent your car out, if you say you had a Tesla or whatever car, Waymo, whatever that you own, and you and you put it on one of the platforms, is it I guess it just accepts every ride.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

It must, right?

SPEAKER_04 37:28

I would assume so.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Or is Gary gonna create an app for that so that it it can decline its own rides?

SPEAKER_04 37:36

Yeah, you start looking, where's my where's my car? And like, oh sh damn, it's in Nashville.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Well, I mean, you would have to be able to set up some parameters. I yeah, you know, you I don't want my especially if it's an electric vehicle. I mean, you can't drive I mean, obviously, as years go on, they're gonna get better as far as the range goes, but you don't want that thing going to Nashville three times in a night. You're gonna have to charge.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I mean, they're gonna that's they're gonna have that automated too. I mean, they already they already did. I think I think Tesla's already got that in uh working to some point, to some extent.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Yeah, Bubba Sue takes all the rides, but there's GFNs. Yeah, I would say you take them all within a certain area because who cares at that point? You're you're not doing anything, you're sitting on the couch watching football, like you're just watching it, you know, you all of a sudden you get a little ding. Oh, two dollar ride. And and then again, but and see that's the thing. Would you care less taking a two-dollar ride if you were at home? Or would you still be like, fuck this shit, this isn't worth it. I don't know. I I wouldn't care. It's like it's I mean, it's not passive money unless you have like a lot of money to pay cash for the car and you have no car payment, you're just paying insurance and charging. I guess it's kind of passive money.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

There's got to be a point at which you care because you're like, I don't want my car to you, I don't want to go into pick up somebody 20 miles away and and you know take them on a 20-mile trip and I get a dollar.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

Yeah, well, of course, and they take a shit in the back, and you know, and then you're gonna have wear and tear on the car, you know, and depreciation on the true good point.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

You you do want you do want there to be some you know basement uh of payment that you're gonna make.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

But if you you think about it, if it went out for an eight-hour shift and made 200 bucks on Friday and 200 bucks on Saturday one weekend, and that paid for your payment, and you didn't have to leave the house.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Hey, I'm I'm I'm I'm down for that. I mean, that's I think a lot of drivers do that now. They get a nice car and they're like, Well, I'm gonna work for the payment. I'm gonna work make 500 bucks a month, and then like that's it. Like, that's essentially the same thing. Traveler says I don't car start my car for less than 30. Okay, so you don't leave the house then not for ride share. 30 cents and 30. Not for ride share, you're not. Oh man. All right, moving on here.

Waymo And The Self-Driving Shift

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Waymo in the news. So it's interesting. Larry found this Waymo, but did you really watch it? Because I I'm gonna be on the on Team Waymo on this. I I don't think it did a bad job. Uh, if you really watch it, and maybe I missed it, but 17 seconds. There's a emergency cars that are trying to get through, and the Waymo just kind of just blows through it. So we'll watch it.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

Streets are blocked off, but here comes a Waymo nod. Give an F.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, there's a there's opening there, but there's yeah, the cop was not blocking the whole road.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

He was blocking the other lane. The both cars were blocking the whatever lane, the opposite lane that that Waymo was going. I mean, I don't know what you wanted it to do. It had a green light.

SPEAKER_04 41:05

Yeah, I mean, it's it's not the uh most uh you know worst worst video for a Waymo for sure. Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:14

I mean, it is funny, like it felt like it didn't slow down. At least we would kind of like, okay, trying to assess what's going on. We might creep through the green light, look at the cop, make sure, like, am I good? Like rubber neck a little bit, rub her neck a little bit. Um I kind of had that the other night. I was when I did the the first amphitheater concert, some of the roads were closed. I talked about, and the ramp was closed, and there was a cop standing there, and I'm like, he wasn't really waving me through. I had the green light, but I'm like, I you know, just I I even rolled in the window, I'm like, Am I good? And maybe what if I would have processed it a little bit quicker because I came up on it kind of quick, I would have realized no, he was just stopping this other lane. But I guess you can say that Waymo didn't give a fuck. You're right, it just kind of was like, Yeah, whatever, green light, uh move bitches. I got things to do, I got I got I got water to run into. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

DoorDash Assault Follow-Up Turns Fatal

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Uh, for the second week in a row, we have a follow-up story of a story we talked about a while back. That's Larry talking about this uh this this guy that died after getting hit by a DoorDash driver. Another follow-up, man. What are we doing? What are we doing? Two in a row is wild.

SPEAKER_04 42:26

It is wild. So yeah, this is uh uh this is a very sad story. This is uh a guy who's um a military veteran, he's 75 years old. He was in his neighborhood, and this door dasher was speeding through the neighborhood, and this guy asked him to slow down, and this door dash driver got out and sucker punched him, left him in a coma. Uh the guy had to have part of his skull removed. He went underwent seven brain surgeries, and then finally uh he went through pneumonia a couple times. Uh, and then finally in May he died, which was uh five months after uh he had been attacked. The the DoorDash driver was 40 years old. Uh this happened about 30 uh 30 miles from Detroit. And after uh said that the DoorDash driver after the incident happened, he later on went to the police station and admitted punching the guy. This was after officers were you know called to a scene about uh a man lying unconscious in the roadway. So you know, this is just I mean, it's just ridiculous. The guy asked, you know, somebody asked you to slow down going through their neighborhood and you're gonna he's 75 and you're gonna punch him. Yeah. It's just I mean, it's it's just ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Obviously, the guy's lost his cool. I was gonna say you had said the time frame of five months. I'm like, I feel like it was in the winter we were talking about this.

SPEAKER_04 43:47

Yeah, December. It happened in it happened in December. I think uh I think it says in here the date. Uh let's see. I know I saw it in the house.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

I mean, it makes sense. We're in May right now, so it's It's crazy though uh to think about that guy who he's probably like waiting for this guy to die to get charged with murder. You know what I mean? Because I assume they're gonna I mean it probably hasn't even gone to trial yet because Yeah, I'm sure it hasn't. Okay. Yeah, so that this guy now and again for what? He okay, he lost his temper and you punch a guy? Like who randomly goes out and punches people? Like you got especially I mean an old 78 years old, man. I mean just say come on. This is what I would do. I'd roll down the wheel. Fuck you, old man. You're gonna be in a box soon anyways. Like, you know, just if that if you're gonna be pissed, just do that, like, or just ignore it. I ignored 99% of them. I'm just like, whatever. And the guy probably was speeding, you know what I mean? Probably, yeah, I'm sure he probably was.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

Yeah, you're trying to get that, you know, trying to get that double order delivered.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Hey, been there, never punch an old guy, but I'm definitely spent to get this fucking order delivered because I don't want no one bitching.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Yeah, yeah, but that that just makes my heart hurt for for his family, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Yeah, what a horrible way to go. A veteran, and then he gets sucker punched in his own country. Like, fuck you. Yeah, in his own neighborhood, you know, from some some guy doing DoorDash. Oh, God, that pisses me off more than anything. When you see these guys, they live so long and then they die just in a terrible way.

SPEAKER_04 45:19

Yeah, yeah, for a stupid reason like this, you know. Stupid reason.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

You work your whole life, you you serve your country, and then some dickhead punches you for, you know, yeah, he shouldn't have ran his mouth, but who gives a shit? Like, I do that all the time. I probably did it yesterday. People whipping down the road, I scream. Slow the fuck up.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

We we hear you on telegram all the time, dude. I can testify for that.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Oh, poor guy, poor family.

SPEAKER_04 45:46

Yeah, so yeah, just uh yeah, condolences to his family. So so sorry to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

Yeah.

Drift Ad And Grubhub Update

SPEAKER_03 45:51

Uh speaking of um dead people, Larry Drift. No, I don't know. I didn't even yeah, drift.

SPEAKER_04 45:58

So drift is a uh subscription air freshener that we use and we love it. It's great. I got my new one in yesterday. Uh it's called this this month, it's called Island Nectar, and man, it is so good. Smells so good.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Island Nectar. I bet you I got that. I'm thinking I did. That sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_04 46:17

So good, man. Um, but yeah, they send you a different scent every month. You can get it. It comes on uh it's a little it's a little piece of wood with a magnet. They've got a little metal holder that goes on your visor. Uh mine is metal that gets soaked in this uh oil that smells really, really good, a different scent every month. You can also get the slate one. I think that's what Jason has. I think they've got a new metal one. They also have stuff for inside your house, but the the smell is always great. It's not overwhelming, it's not it doesn't smell artificial, it's not like oversweet like a lot of the air fresheners are. Uh I've been using them for about four to five years and get compliments constantly about people getting the car and tell me how good the car smells.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Yeah, for sure. It's it's worth it. Sorry, I was reading an email. Roger, sorry, from Grubhub. Hang on one second. Oh yeah. Uh let's see what they get this off here. I'm trying to see.

SPEAKER_04 47:11

And so, yeah, my my uh my drift runs me about eleven dollars a month.

SPEAKER_03 47:15

So okay. Sign up, bitches. Uh no, it just says, oh no, wait, is this what date is it today? Oh, this is the 27th. I just sent it. You recently requested to reactivate your grub run account. Great news, your account is now active. Okay, they're listening to the show.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

This just happened. Some dude at DoorDash was listening to the show. He's like, I need to get this thing, dude, reactivated.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Um okay, so I'm during the Patreon, I'm gonna grab my work phone because it says I'm live. It says Okay, we're gonna do it live on Patreon. Your account is now active before you begin accepting offers. You will be the need to complete some document update update. Ugh, fuck me. Some document update tasks. You can do this by directly logging into your account, which I try to do. Okay, we're doing it on the Patreon. I maybe it was doing it live. Maybe it's because I waited too long and it didn't work. So, anyways, that's the update.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

If you want to find out, join the Patreon and watch that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

Um, all right, wrong way uh wrong turn.

87-Year-Old Dasher And GoFundMe Debate

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Oh fuck, sorry. Uh wrong turn for 87-year-old DoorDash driver leads him to his angel. Another bullshit go fund me, Larry. We've talked about this. We need to do something so we can get a GoFundMe. But this guy in Vancouver is 87. Uh, and he's been uh he's delivering DoorDash for a year and a half uh just to cover bills like debt and medications and something. And some lady ordered delivery and stepped into his garage. He was a little disoriented and struggling, so she started to talk to him, blah, blah, blah. So for that delivery, she tipped him $100 and urged him to take the day off. And then with his permission, they recorded a video and you know, asked his permission and started to go fund me. And then she was like, once it was at 400, I was like, Joe, we're at like 400, you can take a couple days off. Um, and I did check it uh is at 44,000 for that, which I get uh you know, I'm I'm glad that that happened for that guy. Again, I I I want one for myself. I mean, I'm I people call me old, they think I'm in my 60s. Maybe I should start stumbling when I'm delivering food or something. Then they'll just report you for being drunk. Right, yeah, exactly. But did ever did anyone ever think, and maybe I talked about this last time, that maybe he needs that to keep his head busy. You know what I mean? Like maybe he it it gives him value. A lot of elderly people don't they lose, they feel like they lose their value when they get older. And I hear that when I when I drive old people, I can hear them talking, not that specifically, but things they say, I can hear that they're struggling with that.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

Sure. And if you, you know, I firmly believe if you just if you retire and go home and sit on the couch, you're gonna just go downhill. Right. You know, if you're not if you're not active, if you're not engaging your brain with things, stuff like that, it's just so detrimental to you. And this might be his way to get out and get around. Now, you know, I'm sure he's he's happy to have the money. Yeah, uh, but hopefully he'll uh if he doesn't do this, he'll do something else that keeps his mind engaged and you know gets him moving and stays you know physically active and things like that. But yeah, if there there is a a thing about yeah, if you just um if they have enough money to just not do anything and and they choose to just not do anything, it goes downhill real quick.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

I mean, it's tough to do that at 87 though. I mean, it it's tough to drive a car at 87.

Retirement, Staying Active, And Wrap

SPEAKER_04 50:50

Yeah, you know, yeah, props to him. I mean, uh I I get sore now.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

Right. Well, I was gonna I was gonna say, who in our all our crew, who's gonna be the oldest driver or like oldest worker out there?

SPEAKER_04 51:06

I mean, obviously you're gonna be dead in a year, but so we can't use you, but like I'll be out of the game, and you but y'all still have to make it to where I died. Y'all still gotta make it to that point.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

So that's true. Yeah, no, it just I I can see myself like I told Megan I was like, I want to retire at 60. And my finance guy's like, ooh, dude, that's a little early. I'm like, I don't I go, I'm not gonna, I I don't want to have a boss at 60. I won't I I'll probably do gig work for another 10 years because I enjoy it, yeah, but I don't want to have a boss, so it's it's it's kind of different. Like I I don't look at gig work, and maybe I would, and and Gabe probably does. Like it's it can be a grind, but I don't look at it like that. Um yeah, I kind of lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

It's people call retirement different things because yeah, if you're still working, are you are you retired? Are you just retired from that one, you know, from your main job? Yeah, there's there's different new nuances to that for sure. And yeah, I mean I I enjoy doing things to to stay active. Uh like I said, I think you just you know you really especially the older you get, the more important it is to stay active.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

Yeah. Although getting out of that car, oof, man, I tell you, sometimes that's you know, on a long day, you're like, shit.

SPEAKER_04 52:24

To get that injection seat.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

Yeah. I mean, you're when you're doing ride chair, I always remember with Jesper, he would do ride share and he would like go six hours, first of all, without peeing, which is like incredible, but like, no, I don't want to do food delivery, I don't want to get on my car. I'm like, oh god, uh, I don't want to fucking sit in my car that long. Like, I need to move a little bit. Yeah. Um Bubba Sue says retirement equals Florida. Yes. I mean, I ain't I didn't say I'd be doing the gig work up here in the freezing freaking cold. Uh Travel says gig work just gets me out of the house. Yeah, it does. And it and it's nice to do it. Um, like next week, I'm off. I've already got my pickleball scheduled. I have nights I'm gonna like on the the days I play pickleball, I'm gonna gig at night. The nights I days I don't, I'm gonna gig in the morning. Like I got it all planned out. So we'll we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_04 53:13

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

All right, we're gonna wrap it up there. The other story is dumb, and I don't want to talk about it. And it's just been a slow, slow news the last couple cycles. So uh we're gonna wrap it up there. Uh, Patreon at 8 10 p.m., which is actually in 14 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 53:29

If you want to see whether or not Jason is truly back on DoorDash, you need to join the Patreon.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

Right. I mean, just join for free for seven days. You can try it out. Look, you can literally watch the entire back catalog or listen to it. You can get it on your podcast player too.

SPEAKER_04 53:45

And then we know you'll just fall in love with us and you'll not cancel.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Yeah, you'll you'll fall in love. You'll fall in love.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

That's our other channel, dude. You're on there. We're not on that channel. Right. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 53:57

All right. And as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. And we'll see you on through. You almost got there.

SPEAKER_02 54:04

I know you're dying from that little man. That's funny.