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Waymo Launches in Detroit! Lyft Boosts College Rides & Uber Bets on AI | Gig Economy News | Ep 276
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We share wins and misses from a slow Spark week and a solid Amazon Flex route, then dig into Halloween ride trends, rain-soaked nights, and why visibility changes how we work. Waymo’s expansion, Uber’s AI microtasks, and Lyft’s late-night campus discounts set the stage for a bigger question: how fast should robotaxis move and who pays when code crashes.
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• Spark slowdown versus Flex payout and route selection
• Halloween surge patterns, safety, and rider behavior
• night rain driving, fatigue, and visibility trade-offs
• Waymo launches and construction zone limitations
• Uber AI microtasks and long-term autonomy pressure
• robo-taxi liability, governance, and public acceptance
• Lyft campus partnership shifting late-night demand
• DoorDash PIN verification and delivery protection
• Instacart substitution discipline and shopper accuracy
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SPEAKER_03For all things gig economy related, you can go to our website at gig economy show.com. You can sign up for our newsletter. We promise you want to pay with a bunch of stuff that we'll just hang out and notice about episodes and uh just a little bit of information sometimes. Uh if you'd like to support the show, you can go to patreon.com. We've got a couple of different levels that you can sign up for, and we want to thank our Patreon members, Samson from Grand Rapids, Bud Dickman from North Carolina, Omar from Detroit, Delivery Cats from Michigan, Frank from Philly, Tom from Volo, Jim from Connecticut, Miguel from GR, Linda from Tampa, Jerry Gillette from Kentucky, Faith from Las Vegas, Metal Kickass from Louisiana, and Anna from New York City via Ann Arbor, Michigan. You can also join our Telegram group. That's how we kind of communicate with each other. And Jason's going to tell you a little bit more about it.
SPEAKER_02When I'm ta as I'm talking to you about the Telegram group, Larry's going to connect to TikTok so we can uh both be on the same page as people were looking at me and and I wasn't speaking. Uh Telegram is an amazing uh app. I'm sure you've definitely heard about it. It's something that you can use to uh communicate with other people, but we have a group, uh it's it's not huge, it's like 52 people. Uh, but it's you know, I've met some great people on there. We've actually vacationed together. I mean, I guess it was a vacation. Uh yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_03I'd say so.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Gabe, Gabe's was a drinking vacation.
SPEAKER_03Weekend of debauchery is what it was.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, gambling and booze. Um, but no, it's great to uh pop off if you're frustrated about a delivery or you want to share a funny meme or those kind of things. Uh, it's a great app for that. Um, everything that Larry and I talk about uh are in the description of the show you're listening to or watching, so you can click on that and join the group uh if you want to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and speaking of TikTok, uh please any if you follow us on TikTok, share anything you see from us on any of our socials. It helps us build the show. We're trying to get up to a thousand followers on TikTok so we can stream the correct way, but right now we have to go through this Yankee way.
SPEAKER_02Um wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What what does that mean? Yankee way, janky, janky. Oh, janky. I thought you said Yankee. I'm like I probably did.
SPEAKER_03Janky way. Uh so anyway, yeah, we want to get to a thousand followers uh so we can start streaming uh along with the rest of our stuff.
Stories From The Road: Flex And Spark
SPEAKER_03It makes it a lot easier, a lot easier. Um, yeah. Uh so stories from the road, Jason. You got any stories from the road for us this week?
SPEAKER_02I just want to confirm that I did do gig work. Uh, I did end up getting a uh Amazon Flex route uh 115, so I don't know what the math is. It's over 25, so I'm I'm happy with that. And uh unfortunately, uh with the snap benefits shutdown, and I didn't think that really would affect, but Spark was freaking dead.
SPEAKER_03I'm I kept saying that in in in all online in different groups that it seemed like it was dead all over.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely dead. And it was like they usually put the heat waves, like it's a heat graph, I guess, for Spark, and it was just like friggin' flat line all the way through. Really? Um, so yeah, I had it on. I got a few here and there, but like it's hard for me to get to leave the house unless it's really good. Like if I was out, I might take those because I'm like right near the store or whatever, coming back. Right. But I didn't I didn't leave for that, and so I did the route and I actually got a pretty decent route. I ended up being right in my five miles from my house when I finished, so it was a very local route. I think I only put like 70 miles on it because it was super local, so I was very ecstatic. Although it was funny, you're waiting in line and you see these carts come out, and a lot of people think when they see a cart with only four packages, it's great. It's usually not great. That means you're gonna be driving, you know.
SPEAKER_03You're gonna be putting some miles on the car, right?
SPEAKER_02So I got mine and it was full to the brim. I was still fussy about it. I could barely push this cart, it goes down the hill. I'm trying to steer it. Took me like five minutes to get to my car because that motherfucker was heavy. Oh, and Bubba Sue, yeah. I drove in the dark and I hated that. I hated that. Thank God for the GPS is like really accurate because I can't see shit. I can't see shit out of my tinted windows, and I'm needing some glasses at night. So uh, but other than adventures or stories, I don't really have anything. Hopefully, uh this weekend Spark will be back. I don't know. I don't know what anyone has said during this week if it's if it's came back or not. But um, how about you? I know you were hoping for a great money weekend. Did we hit our 1k mark?
SPEAKER_03No, no, we did not. No, it was uh I don't remember when I think I ended up about maybe 750, something like that. Pretty good, you know. Yeah, I mean it's not bad, but it's uh you know, it was just nothing like it was last year. So so Thursday night I went out, it was really slow, but that was because all the fraternities and sororities were working on their homecoming floats, they weren't having any parties Thursday night. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_03Thirsty Thursday was was a bus. Friday Halloween, busy as I'll get out. I mean just you know, cued rides. It's you accept a ride, and another one cues up right away. Um, Halloween, I love driving. People are always in, you know, almost always in a good mood. Yeah, uh my first or second ride of the night I picked up at a convenience store. It was a mom and her three kids that were like 11, 8, and 5. They'd been trigger treating, and I guess they went to get a drink or something at the store, and then they just wanted to ride home. And it was like literally like across the street and down like two blocks.
SPEAKER_01Oh, geez.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but but it was so cute. That so we get there and they're all getting out, and all of a sudden I feel like this nudge on my elbow, and I turn around. This little kid's got cane. He's handing me some candy from his batch of candy. I was like, Oh, thank you so much. That's so sweet, that's so nice. And then later on that night, um, um uh probably like a college-age kid, she had like a bunch of um candies like our cookies, almost like um like Oreo balls to make at Christmas. Okay. So yeah, that was really good too. That was good. But um, everybody was, you know, everybody's in generally in a good mood. Uh, didn't have anybody that was like super trash or or being rowdy, but it was it was very busy. I don't know what was going on downtown, but there were cops everywhere like for like a couple hours. And then at one point I was supposed to go pick up at uh this um nightclub that's not near downtown, it's it's a couple miles away. And I and I get there, and the side street you have to turn on to go down there was blocked by cops. I don't know if they had a big fight going on or whatever, but I'm like, uh, I can't even get down that road, much less pick up. Yeah, like my next five requests were from different people at that club.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they're trying to get out.
SPEAKER_03I had to turn my app off too. I got got away from there because I'm like, it's you know, it's just gonna be getting requests from there. So Friday night was very busy, but the surge wasn't big. Okay. But I was still out to about 3 15 or so. Got up the next morning, was out by about nine o'clock. Uh almost screwed up. And thank goodness Uber gives you that reminder about your driving time. Right. Because I forgot, and I was about 15 minutes short.
SPEAKER_02Well, you slept for three minutes. That's why.
SPEAKER_03So I was getting ready to log on, and it comes on. It's like, you have you know, 15 minutes before it resets. Do you want to log on? I'm like, no, no, no, no. So I went and uh went ahead and went to the car wash and got got an iced coffee and some other stuff. Um very bit you know, pretty busy during the day, but but the surge like last year on homecoming, I kept there it kept surging $27 in this one spot, and I would go pick up it there, then turn off the request, drop that person off, and then drive back to that spot. And I made a couple hundred doing that. So I I remember last year homecoming was my biggest day ever. Like it was six six fifty, I think, something like that. It was a big day, yeah. And just there wasn't anything like that this year, and then had a had a family event about four o'clock. So I took a break for a couple hours, and then I was going back out that night and it was rainy. I don't getting older, I don't see well in the rain at night for sure. And it just wasn't that busy. So I stayed out for about an hour and a half, and I'm I was I was tired. I'm like, this it's not worth it. I'm I'm gonna go home. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So you're cooked.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was cooked.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's it it's it's definitely trouble like driving in the rain for me. Like, if you if you think you have trouble driving in the rain in a car,
Halloween Ride Trends And Safety
SPEAKER_02get in a school bus, I don't know what it is, but it's so fucking at dark. I can imagine. I'm just like, God, like you would think the visibility would be better. I have this giant window, but like that's it's the worst. It's tough to see the lines on the road. Yeah, and I don't know if the lights just aren't bright in the school, but I don't know. I I absolutely hate that that when it's raining. I I'm with you a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah, raining at night, man. That's that's my weak spot for sure. Because, like you said, it's hard to see the lines in the road. Yeah, like there was a time or two I was like, oh man, I'm I'm like over the line.
SPEAKER_02I'd rather drive in snow, honestly, than rain. Yeah. Well, Larry's like, I don't know. I don't have a little bit of a lot of things.
SPEAKER_03No, no, I don't mind driving snow, doesn't bother me at all. I mean, usually with the snow, you can't see where you're at in the road either, but you just follow everybody else's tracks.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, and no one else can either. So we're all on the same page.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, if you're the only one that's going off the road in the rain, everybody else is good. That's not a good situation. For sure, for sure. All right. Yeah, so you'll be out doing gig work next week, next weekend.
SPEAKER_02Uh thinking about it, um, I do have some other work to do. Uh hey, Josh on TikTok. Um, and uh so yeah, I think I will. I'm gonna try to get Amazon. Oh, and I forgot to say I on Sunday, I I literally got up in the morning. Now I know the lions were playing, but I was willing to watch them delayed to if I got a route, but I looked all freaking day and it never went up. All right, it went up to 2450. And I know it sounds petty, but like, why not just take that? But I'm like, I'm laying on my couch, I'm just chilling, watching football, and I was just like, no, I'm not fucking doing it.
SPEAKER_03Like, I'm just I mean, yeah, you do you have to have a line somewhere because if you take it for 2450, well, then why not take it at 24? You know, yeah, yeah. Where do you yeah, you gotta have a line, draw the line somewhere, especially if you're home, like you said, if you were already out, that's that's one thing. Totally different home and you're comfy, and yeah, it it it takes more to get you out for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I realized uh uh shit, I gotta mow the lawn and we daylight savings had started and it gets dark at five. So I I watched the lines delayed anyways. I had to message my friend, she's like, You're watching the game, and I told her I was like, bro, don't say nothing. Don't tell me anything. Yeah, uh don't say nothing. And I finally caught up at the start of the third quarter. Uh I should have just worked anyways, because that's it's so hard to not learn the score of those games.
SPEAKER_03Well, dude, I can't delete anything.
SPEAKER_02I can't power my almost power my phone. Like, I almost had to power my phone down because I you know, because when you get the commercials, you get bored and you're like, no, no, God, no good.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Like I've got the Buccaneers app on my phone. I had to turn off notifications from it because you look at anything, and all of a sudden you're looking at Facebook, and then random post pops up there, it shows you the score, and you're like, damn it. Well, you know, I did not want to.
SPEAKER_02Well, you have an iPhone, I do too, and you can set up like different do not disturbs. We should set up a sports one where you, you know, like you only get, I don't know, like phone calls and like texts from your mom or something crazy like that. Yeah, where that you're uh, you know, so you don't get the score. Exactly. Yeah, I follow a bunch of Lions pages, like, and it's every time I go there during a Lions game, it's the number one post right at top. So you I mean, you tell us how we frickin' use our phones so much because you get bored and you hit Facebook and they're like, oh shit, I think I did all the score. Yep, yeah, yeah. You're like, oh man, did I really see that? Yeah, I know. I I pretend uh then I texted my friend, I was like, because I I they were down, yeah. She goes, just a little bit. Yeah. And she wasn't, I was a lot a bit, but yeah, a lot. Yeah, that was rough.
SPEAKER_03That was rough. Yeah, that was a rough game for him. Yeah, okay. Um, all right. Let's move on now to uh we won't go down the sports hole again.
SPEAKER_02No, that maybe Patreon for that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh we'll we'll dive on into gig economy in the news. So this first story, uh, it's something we talk about on a regular basis now around here. It seems like Waymo announced it's coming to some more cities, and um actually announced three cities it's gonna be launching in. So Detroit is one of them. So they're coming to Michigan. Let's go right down the road from you. They're also coming to Vegas. So uh so Faith will have the Waymo's along with the uh Cybertruck police cars. Did you see that? I did see that. Yeah, that's an embarrassment. Yeah, I'm sorry. Uh so you know, again, we we just go over this every every time. It they're just you know, they're rolling out more places, the autonomous travel is coming fast. Their spokesman said by the end of 2026 they expect to be offering uh one million trips a week. A million.
SPEAKER_02That's that's literally like a year and a couple months. That's wild.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I mean as of April this year, they were doing uh 250,000 rides a week.
SPEAKER_01So wow.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. That's so um yeah, they're gonna says they uh plan to roll out a mix of the uh self-driving Jaguar, iPaced cars, and Zeke. I don't know what the Zeke RT vehicles are. I'm gonna have to look that up and see what that looks like. Um I don't remember seeing those. I probably probably have at some point.
SPEAKER_02Um do you remember what they look like? I don't, I don't. Is that like uh it's like the bus?
SPEAKER_03Okay, that's what I thought. I was thinking yeah, it's like a minivan, it's like a big minivan.
SPEAKER_02Okay, got you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's what it looks like.
SPEAKER_02Um so we have seen this before. Remind me again. I swear we talked about them being in the UP. And I feel like they they kind of misled it because, or maybe we talked about it a long time ago because according to what I saw, they had commented that they had been in the UP and they are they're ready for the snow.
SPEAKER_03So I swear they're testing. I think they're they might have been testing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, testing, but but my but my I guess my question is when did we talk about that? Because I feel like it was in the last 90 days, and they're talking like they've already traveled in the snow, which means it would have been last winter, 2024 into 2025. So unless they misquoted when they were, you know, I don't know, maybe they're lying about the snow. I don't know. But I know I remember talking about it on the show. I just feel like it was in the last 90 days and not like a year ago. Um I know you're looking it up, but I was just curious.
SPEAKER_03See if it says, um well, uh it says it's been testing in Michigan, including UP for several years to prepare for harsh winter conditions.
SPEAKER_02Well, so maybe they just released that information, like you know, because it was like a news release from Waymo. It wasn't like somebody spotted it. Um, but yeah, I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Um supposedly been testing up in in snowy places for for a couple years, and then they started the testing in Detroit uh this week uh with human drivers, just like they did in Nashville, like they do in almost all the places that you know they start out with human drivers to mapping out the city streets, um, things like that. And then at some point they'll uh they'll you know transition into pure autonomous driving.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, the second that happens, I'm gonna be like making a road trip to Detroit.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, yeah, shoot, I would too. Like I said, as soon as um yeah, Zooks is the is the company that does
Night Driving, Rain, And Fatigue
SPEAKER_03the free robo taxi service in Vegas. Gotcha. So um yeah, it's it's kind of a big uh it looks like a big minivan to me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, as soon as as soon as I hear that they're offering rides in Nashville, I'm gonna drive down and well, I don't know why they're why it's taking so long because we're at like what at least Yeah, I mean we were testing in May because we were we went in June and we were hoping they'd be doing it by then.
SPEAKER_02But we didn't even yeah, they were yeah, so it's been uh it's been a hot second since they've been testing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, now my niece took one in San where was it? She was out in California somewhere, I guess San Francisco for work. Yeah, and she took one, she loved it. Yeah, she said she absolutely loved it, didn't have to worry about dealing with anybody, and she said she never felt uh any danger. She thought it was the coolest thing.
SPEAKER_02Very cool. Uh delivering Vegas. Uh hi. I'm not sure who that is, but thanks for joining. Hope you enjoy the show. Um, okay. Are we done with that?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, let's be moving on. So Jason is gonna talk about Uber and wanting to be an AI company.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so this was an article on Gizmodo. Um, there was a lot of earnings calls in the last week or so from a lot of these apps. Um, so they were talking on Tuesday morning, uh, and the executives shared all the ways they were hoping to drive earning growth for the company. And two of the five core strategic areas that executives will be focusing on is AI related. Uh, one of the things they announced is that they recently started a pilot program that allows drivers and couriers using the app to make a couple extra bucks by training the AI models. So nothing like, you know, fucking, I don't know, say dicking the dog. Like I I don't know what that's not a good phrase for that. That dick and the dog, people laugh at me all the time. They never heard of dicking the dog. That means like screwing around and you're not, you know, not getting the job done, but nothing like shooting yourself in the foot, I guess.
SPEAKER_03That's well, you're training your replacement. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02That's what I mean. I'm trying to like a phrase for like doing that, but uh Uber users will now be able to complete and get compensated for micro tasks like uploading photos, uh, annotoning, annotoning, annotating security footage, recording themselves speaking in their native language, submitting documents, or judging responses. The feature is called digital task and is currently only available to drivers and couriers in India and the United States, but it's obviously they're gonna expand it. Um, but then this weird comment by Dara. Some of the roles require PhDs, for example, in physics, in order to get the gig done, so to speak, he said. I'm like, okay. Um and we all know that that that's what they're they're you know going for uh as far as like algorithms. I mean, I think the AI is already there for that. Um I I don't know, it it does kind of seem like a weird like that's one of their core things for earnings, I guess. I don't know if they didn't release everything they wanted to do with the AI. Um obviously the AI to drive earnings through autonomous vehicles, we all know that. That's I mean, that's no secret. Um there was a couple other things. They said that that the admitted that the autonomous vehicles are not yet profitable and likely won't be for a few more years. So um, and they talked about this, and I didn't really see a lot on it, but they talked about beyond the issue of profitability, robotaxis are riddled with safety concerns. Just last week, a beloved bodo b bodega cat in San Francisco was killed after being hit by a vehicle belonging to the Robo Taxi Giant. The incident caused public outrage and pushed for a city supervisor's call for legislation that would allow counties to be able to ban autonomous vehicles, which I kind of think that should be a thing. I mean, if the public votes, why not? Right? Yeah. I mean, I don't want a city leader being able to go, yeah, we're not doing it. But if it goes on the ballot and the public has spoken, then I think it's fine to ban it. Um, and you know, you really can't give the the Waymo a hard time. Any other person could hit that cat.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Like I said, we have you know, we expect uh these autonomous cars to be perfect because that's just how our mind goes. It's a robot or you know, it's whatever it is, it should it should not do it. But I mean, yeah, that that cat could have been hit by by just a regular driver, and as sad as it is, it happens. Well, yeah, I mean think about the I don't think I don't think the car swerved off the road to to hit him.
SPEAKER_02No, the cat probably ran out just like a freaking deer would. They're animals. I mean, us drivers are more predictable than animals. We don't know what the hell they're gonna do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I mean it happened. I I hit a car, I hit a dog when I was driving for Uber. I don't know if you remember that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I do. God, I would oh so sad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, it was bad. But I mean, uh literally again, nothing I could do. The dog ran out. He actually like ran into my car.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that's tough. God, I don't ever want that to happen because I'll be so sad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was not a good night, but um, yeah, and I think that's a good idea. If you know, I don't see reason why they wouldn't if a municipality or even a state, whatever, if they if they put it on the ballot and they don't want it, then don't have it.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that's what this country is founded on, is is voting on shit. Like you can't really bitch about it when you see the vote. Like, we had a bunch of proposals that did pass, but I also be like, if it didn't pass, I'd be like, well, either people didn't get out and vote, or the people that did don't want it. So it's like, what are you gonna
Waymo Expands To New Cities
SPEAKER_02do?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, you can't you can't like it when it just goes your way and not like it when it, you know, not accept it when it goes the other way. I can be pissy about it, but it's as much as as much as you know, some pres I mean, some people would like it to be right, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02The current administration. I mean, even when he won, I'm like, if fuck uh, you know, my opinion, so this is my opinion only, I didn't want him to win, but like, hey, the people voted, so fuck it. We gotta, we just gotta do it. I mean, that's the point. Yeah, you want a dictator? No, yeah. All right, we'll stop it right there. Yeah, before we go too deep.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02Well, speaking of uh, you know, hitting cats, Larry.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so um and this is an interview with let me get her name here. Um Christian Korsack. Um she is see the CEO of Waymo. And so she was doing an interview, and you know, the question came up as uh I you know I ex you would expect it to be uh uh come up in one of these interviews. Um the interviewer asked her, you know, will society accept a death caused by a robo taxi or you know, a robot? And uh see she answered, she said, I think you know, I really think that society will. Um I think the challenge for us is making sure that we have a high enough bar on safety uh that we're held to because again, as as we said, uh people are you know what how many people a day are killed in car accidents by stupid drivers. Right. Um and uh she went on to say that you know self-driving cars are gonna dramatically reduce the number of crashes, but it's not gonna be a hundred percent. So we have to be open and honest about this. Um we know it's never gonna be perfection, it's just not you know, it's not feasible. Uh as a company, this is something that we think about constantly. We don't say whether it's gonna happen, we say when because we know that it's gonna happen and we plan for it. And so yeah, I to me that that that is was really a perfect response for that. You don't want don't want them promising that oh, it's not gonna happen, it's gonna be so safe. She's very open and honest about the fact that it's gonna happen. We know it's gonna happen, and we'll do you know, we have plans in place to deal with it. And she talked about the numerous times that they pulled back on things because a safety concern had come up. They've changed their plans, they've scaled back, they've stopped um testing in places for for certain amounts of times while they figured things out, uh, which is good. That's what show what you want a company to be responsible uh for their actions and and what's going on.
SPEAKER_02Do you feel like are you okay with it? Are you accepting of a death? Like, do you understand? I think as a tech guy, you probably do. But also, do you think, well, if it's that, if it's still gonna happen, are are we ready to put it on the road? Like, let's say fast forward a hundred years, is it still is that still gonna happen?
SPEAKER_03Meaning like yeah, I I don't think we can go that far forward just with with the speed of technology a hundred years. I mean, I think in five years, is it still gonna happen? I would say so. Yeah. Uh, but again, it's just one of those things you you would expect it to to lessen. Correct. Uh you know, uh as time goes by and not go more. Um what am I am I willing to accept it? I mean um that's a hard question. Yeah, I I because I I think uh well, I know that if if they if they're out there, it it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. For the greater good, right? Like I don't want to sacrifice grandma, but like we gotta get to the point it's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03Right. And when it happens, these companies have to be held responsible for it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so that that is the that that's a good point you bring up. The responsibility for like who's at fault, you know, do they have their own insurance? Like, because you know you don't have a human, like, how do you charge a Waymo with uh manslaughter?
SPEAKER_03And especially yeah, like what if it's a Waymo that's being run through Uber? Yeah, you get two or three companies involved, two or three layers there. Who's who's gonna be the ultimate responsible? Is it gonna be Waymo? Is it gonna be Uber? Is it gonna be both of them? I mean, it's it's a lot to think about.
SPEAKER_02Well, what I think about aspect is like your phone, you know, my phone, you know, it has shit happen to it all the time. I mean, it's nothing major, you know, you force close the app, it refreshes, whatever. But what if that happens in a Waymo and it kills somebody? Like whatever. Like, who's gonna go to jail for that? Because typically, when you do have a even though it may have not been like your well, that would be your fault. Um, you know, not like a drunk driver or something, but you know, somebody may have been like, you know, a biker went in the road and you killed them, and you know, I guess you're gonna serve a little bit of time. How what are you gonna do with Waymo?
SPEAKER_03Like just yeah, that that's a that's a good point that I I haven't thought much about. I'm sure a lot of people haven't. Yeah, and I don't you know, I don't see I don't see the CEO right of Waymo going to jail or some, you know, are they gonna pull out some poor programmer dude and say he's the one who wrote that line of code, man? Sorry, you know.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I would or you hire people just for that. Like, hey, if this happens, you're gonna have to go do uh Yeah, be the fall guy, man.
SPEAKER_03You're gonna do uh we're gonna pay you like fifty million dollars. Yeah, you're gonna live a life of luxury until then, and then when you get out, you'll be good. But yeah, you might have to go down for some time like you know be like a mafia guy, you gotta be a stand-up guy here.
SPEAKER_02Or you just find them so much money, so much insane amount of money that it's actually gonna hurt. But then how does that feel for the victim's family? You know what I mean? Because then it's like, okay, they lost 50 million dollars, but you know, where's my you know, people want a pound of flesh, you know, no pun intended, but they just do want that. And I I'm I'm oh man, the legality thing is that's why I feel like it's moving a little too fast. Like, ooh, man.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. No, I I agree. Because like I said, it's one of those things that was on the peripheral, you know, periphery of everything for for a while, and then all of a sudden it's like wham, it's it's in our face every week, every time we look for stories, you know, to talk about in the podcast. It's half the stuff we were come across. It's dealing with autonomous cars or robots, food delivery robots or drones, you know, yeah, it's just everywhere.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think I I remember us maybe talking in the the first quarter of the year, and we're like, yeah, it's gonna get, you know, it's not going away. And yeah, now you're right. It's like every day we look for news or online, it's all about self-driving. So it it's here and it it's not going
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SPEAKER_02away.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, not going away. It would be I you know it'd be so neat to be able to see in the future what it what things look like 10 years or 20 years from now. Yeah, that'd be that'd be really wild.
SPEAKER_02Um I I I am personally I'm looking forward to it. I I do I do like to drive, but once I get comfortable with it and I I know that I can like frickin' take a nap, eat a sandwich, uh, plan my phone, and I can take a car like to Detroit and back and not have to like deal with it. Like, I'm stoked for that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, I I've I've thought about it before, like say driving on long trips, you know. I mean, how cool would it be to you know, you get in your car and taking that, man? You wake up, you're at your destination, it's you know, four hours away. I know.
SPEAKER_02I mean, it I think it'll connect a lot of families together, and and again, depending on the cost and how much the car is and stuff like that. It might I I I can see it getting to a point where it's cheaper than air travel, and you still have like someone driving for you. Yeah, you gotta do the time, quote unquote, but at least you're not like you know stuck to the wheel.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, but there's you know, there's a lot of um a lot of stuff to be hashed out, and my concern or one of my concerns is uh the legislation and the laws never you know it takes them a while to catch up with the technology, it just does. Technology changes so fast, and our system works at a snail's pace uh at best. And um, so it'll take a while for the legislation to catch up with what's actually going on. So that's always a concern. Yep. Uh all right, moving on. Uh Jason's gonna talk about Lyft uh trying to increase some late night rides at University of Michigan.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, this kind of um Larry had shared this article, and I didn't know they were doing stuff like this. Um, so I I guess on starting July 1st of this year, they uh this hold on University of Michigan contracted Lyft to provide students with a new curb-to-curb late night transportation option to complement its existing offerings. With a night owl rides by lift program, students can get four dollars off any ride with a service between 8P and 7A. Um, so students themselves, uh, students have themselves a thank for the program as central student government reached out to Lyft to learn about a partnership opportunity. So I don't know. This it's it's clearly working. I I didn't think, as I give you these stats, I didn't think four uh four dollars would, but just three weeks into the new semester, the program has dramatic results. Thousands of students that entered the program and lift rides in Ann Arbor are roughly twice the level they were in 2024 and nearly three times what they were in the evening hours when the program is active. Uh in fact, 4 p.m. used to be the most popular time for people in that area to take lift rides in Ann Arbor, uh, to get some work, home, class, grab some food, but now it's 11 p.m. Um so I think this is really good. Uh I think it's good in a in a in a couple different ways. Um it may be keeping like drunk drivers off the road, uh, and it's really increasing the revenue for drivers. Yeah. Uh which is great. Um yeah, let's see. I was gonna say, you know, it would should help Gabe out, but he didn't do late night. No, no, no, it doesn't. But I mean, you know, he's he's been out at what did I say is 7P or no 8P to 7A, but I I can't imagine like I don't know to me, like four dollars doesn't seem like enough. I don't know. Maybe it's maybe it is for a college student, but like four dollars doesn't seem enough to get me to go to Lyft over Uber, I guess. Although, I don't know, maybe I'm kind of cheap sometimes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I mean, I if I'm if I'm uh gonna be a passenger, yeah, I always compare both of them.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Um see what's cheaper.
SPEAKER_02But it's kind of cool that this is like I again I shit on lift all the time, but like they are doing some things.
SPEAKER_03They are, they're throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what's sticks.
SPEAKER_02Well, they're connecting with community a little bit and the colleges. I think it's super cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think that like I said, this CEO is not so new anymore, but he's I think you know, he's trying a lot of different ideas, which is great because for so long it seemed like Glyph was kind of stagnant.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh but you know, and a lot of these and and I'm sure there's a lot of them that we don't even hear about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I just happened to come across this one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when you I mean I saw this in Reddit, I'm like, this is super cool. I I really like that they're working together. Uh delivery Vegas, delivering Vegas says astronauts died when we were trying to get to the moon. Sometime human loss. I mean, it is, you just don't want it to be your human loss. Yeah, that's the problem. And and when that loss does happen, I mean they they still gotta pay the price for it. Like just because you know, prog you need this to get progress, the company still has to pay. You know, you fucked up, so guess what? You gotta pay somehow monetarily or due time or something like that. But um I agree. I mean, it's the cost of doing business and moving forward in the technology.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. I mean, not even just the space program. I mean, look how many people died building the Panama Canal or you know, the the old skyscrapers or brid the big bridges in the country, you know, it's it's it is part of it. Yeah. Um, but it it's it's a little different because kind of those people signed up to to build those things, whereas if you're just an innocent bystander, uh you know, yeah, but it is a little different.
SPEAKER_02You can fucking die from a regular car too.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_02I mean, they do need to be held to a higher standard, I think, because they are putting something out there without technically a human in there. Well, there is no human, but um, but yeah, so we'll see.
SPEAKER_03All right. So uh moving on. So um now I'm gonna talk about uh a story that was posted. I thought this was kind of cool. Um there's uh um this guy's entrepreneur, apparently he's a big deal. His name's Nav Shah. I don't hope that's pronouncing that right, but he he shared a clip on uh his social media. He was talking about he was over in Fiji taking an Uber, and his driver ended up being an 86-year-old man, and he was having a conversation with him, talking and you know, asking uh about the the driver, um his life and everything. It turns out the guy, the 86-year-old guy, which was kudos if you're driving. I ain't driving Uber at 86.
SPEAKER_02I I I no way, and not happening. I'm questioning his ability to drive. Like, I wonder how that drive went.
SPEAKER_03As much as I love it, ride share, not doing it at 86.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03Uh, but anyway, so um he was talking to him and asking him about money and finances and different things, and he was said he was shocked uh when the man, it turns out that uh um the guy turns out to be a successful businessman. He owns 13 jewelry stores, six restaurants, a local newspaper, four supermarkets. And he said that for the past 10 years he's been doing the uh ride share, and all the money he earns from the ride share, he puts it toward um education of 24 girls each year. So I guess they're they're they're schooling. Um said that you know, uh just talking with him and seeing how that this guy's wealth and and success hadn't changed his compassionate nature. Um you know, just really had a real real big impact on that. Um he said, you know, when I asked him why why does he still do it? He said, I s you know, I send this money to educate girls in India. Every trip helps
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SPEAKER_03another one go to school. He said that you know, the secret to life is be positive, be happy, and be truthful. That's all you need.
SPEAKER_02So well, you know, that's great and all, but I mean your your your company generates 175 million a year. Like I don't know, don't you find it a little strange?
SPEAKER_03Like see, it says annual turnover. I don't know how I don't know if they mean that's just if that's the amount that they and I I don't know if profit. That's not yeah, that's not profit. Yeah, uh the the word in the verbiage is a little weird, but um yeah, it's yeah, you would think if if you're that successful, then you could just pay for it out of your pocket, right?
SPEAKER_02And and maybe you know, some people like the interaction, you know, some people like like to drive because of that, and I just don't know why you would if you were I mean if if if we had that money, we wouldn't be I mean I love I love my if I had that money right now I wouldn't be doing it, and and if I was 86, I ain't doing it no matter what I mean, yeah. I mean you got one foot in the box, but I mean I guess props to him if if he enjoys doing it and it keeps him healthy, I I guess, but um yeah. So whatever.
SPEAKER_03All right. Anyway, we can we we can be so cynical sometimes.
SPEAKER_02Oh, we such dicks.
SPEAKER_03Such dicks. All right, moving on. Uh Jay's is gonna talk about uh interaction, I guess a a note on DoorDash that uh a customer was sending to his well the driver, I guess the dasher was sending to his uh to his customer.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so uh you kind of gotta like read between the lines, but uh they were texting, be there soon, and the dasher said, Can you please bless me? I really need it. And then and then he was like only paying me two dollars for this order. Uh oh wait. I I think I read this wrong. So in my head, okay, I fucked up.
SPEAKER_03Oh well, you know, I mean it's it's November, it's about time it happened.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right. Well, what was it last week that I that I uh we were talking about? Um I can't remember, and I never thought about Oh, the package, like the the the delivery bag. You you had thought they weren't ever putting the food in the bag, and I never thought about that. So, okay, back to this. I thought he was saying, like, bro, I ain't gonna bless you. You're only paying me for this order, but I think that's not what happened. Didn't you catch that when he did prep? Did you wonder why I wanted to talk about this?
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna I'm gonna Well no, I mean it's still it's still worth talking about. I'm gonna gaslight people are sending these kind of messages, you know. You're you're you're just kind of it's kind of like a backhanded way of asking for a big deal. For sure. Bless me, I'm only getting two dollars for this order. Well, you took the order.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, that that is the real, yeah. You can that is right. He's he's he's trying to make people feel bad. Uh I thought the I thought the driver was like, I don't know why the I'm a fucking idiot. He's like, I'm not blessing you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Uh, but yeah, don't don't beg for shit online. Like, what don't beg for tips. Like you chose to take it. Yep. And I wonder if it works, because we do see those posted a lot.
SPEAKER_03That we do. You know what I mean? I mean, we've talked about it how many, I mean, gazillion times, yeah, and that's just the ones we decided to talk about.
SPEAKER_02We see 10 times that amount. Oh, yeah, and we just go, we just don't, we don't do anything with them. Yeah, but I don't know. It must work. I mean, it just like the people are, you know, he clearly still taking the two dollar ones and just trying to hustle. And and you know, if you do 10 $2 ones and you get an extra 20 bucks, is it worth it? I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Maybe.
SPEAKER_02No, we'll we'll never find out. So no, because we're not doing that. We're not gonna do that. Yeah, we're probably not gonna talk to these people.
SPEAKER_03Alrighty. Now it's time.
SPEAKER_01Waybo in the news.
SPEAKER_03Perfect. All right, we will watch this clip and then we'll discuss.
SPEAKER_06Waybo car merges into oncoming traffic.
SPEAKER_00It's gonna try to go in the other lane. Wait, no, it's turning. It's gonna try to go in the other lane.
SPEAKER_02Dying.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, that's so scary. Waymo, figure it out. Wait, we're gonna do it again. No, because now it's normal. Okay. Oh man.
SPEAKER_02Those girls were cracking me out. They were dying.
SPEAKER_03They were, they were so they were like that thought they were gonna see this big crash right in front of them. Which, yeah, so for our audio listeners, there's a Waymo. Uh, it's in it's in a lane, and on the left is construction cones separating it from the other lane, which is normally it's a two-lane road, but they're doing construction. So the other lane is used for the traffic going the other direction right now. And uh the Waymo keeps trying to pull over so it can pass this car in front of it, and so it ends up pulling through the cones, going into the other lane, right into omcoming traffic, but luckily it has enough time to get back over before this car's coming, you know, right toward it.
SPEAKER_02I mean, in Waymo's defense, some of that rerouting I'm confused with.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've I've done similar things before.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I can't I can't shit on it too much. The one thing I would express to like maybe the engineers is like, hey, when we're in construction zones, let's not try to jockey. Like, yeah, yeah, extend the lane, finish it out, and then we can reassess what's going because it may have not realized that it was an uncoming lane because it I think it threw it off a little bit. That semi-truck was getting over for something over way over there. Because I was confused too. I didn't even from that perspective, I didn't know what was going on with the cones, right?
SPEAKER_03Um, and you see it all the time when you're in construction. It says stay in, you know, you they have signs, stay in your lane. Yeah, because it does, it gets confusing, and and you know, people will do stuff like that trying to go around, and next thing you know, you're in oncoming traffic.
SPEAKER_02I often wonder too, we read a lot of stuff when we're driving up on that stuff. I don't think the Waymo's, I mean, I don't think they're uh reading the signs, you know what I mean? I think they're just basing their maneuvers off what the the flow of the traffic is doing. But man, I tell you, I think I think that's where we're gonna see our bigger biggest screw-ups.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Bobby Scoo says uh Waymo can't handle cones. This could be where the where the fatality comes from. And and absolutely construction.
SPEAKER_02Construction it cuts over and and then all of a sudden there's a car there and it can't get over.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, our construction worker is there and doesn't see it, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Again, in a in a little bit of a defense, it is very challenging. Um maybe they avoid it. Maybe they say, sorry, this ride's gonna take longer due to construction. We are not ready to go through construction or something like that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03We're too stupid to drive through construction. Well, right.
SPEAKER_02But I would shit myself if I was in Detroit and there was construction, and I was like, Well, here we go. Yeah, here we go.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and you're in that Waymo and it goes into the other lane.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I'm I'm ducking down, I'm laying on the floorboard in the back. I don't even want to see it. Like, if I'm going out, like just like take me out. I don't want to see it happening. Uh yeah, just be oblivious to it. Josh says Tesla can handle cones. Uh, he's such a Tesla fanboy. Um, yeah, I'm I'm sure it can. Um, but we're not talking about Tesla. We're talking about Waymo. So fuck off, Josh. Um, yeah, I'm it we haven't had, you know, speaking of Tesla, we haven't heard a ton about the robo taxis and the issues. I can't remember the last time we talked about it. I mean, we throw Waymo in the under the bus, but it is it's all encompassing, and we wouldn't hesitate to bring up a robotaxi, but I haven't really.
SPEAKER_03We haven't seen those stories. Yeah, we haven't seen those stories yet.
SPEAKER_02At all. I mean, I'd I'd love to throw that under there, you know, anything to throw Elon Musk under the bus.
SPEAKER_03They'll be coming.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I mean it just brings up a good point, though. If they can handle a cones, I mean, what else can they handle better? Yeah. You know, D's nuts. Oh, okay. Oh that
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SPEAKER_02was so juvenile. Anyways.
SPEAKER_03Where's the sound effects? Yeah, oh shoot. Uh yeah, I forgot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right. On that note, we'll move on. And uh, we all we talk a lot of times about how most of these stories we never uh get do any follow-up on any of them. Well, this is a story that we talked about. I mean, uh, it's been a while back now.
SPEAKER_0290 days, I bet.
SPEAKER_03I bet it's longer than that when we talked about yeah, when we talked about, I'm gonna see if it has a date in here. Um, I don't think it does when that happened. But anyway, this is a guy in uh in Michigan. Uh he was like on uh he was a city official, some kind of city official. Anyway, there was uh a DoorDash driver who was in the neighborhood trying to find a house, said his GPS supposedly wasn't working right. He was stopping, uh asking some directions at different places. Well, apparently he pulled into this house. Uh um when he was leaving, the guy came out and uh fired off some shots, and one of them ended up killing the guy. So now uh his wife uh has been charged with uh let's see for allegedly uh deleting video evidence related to the case. The wife? The wife. Yes, so uh okay, May 2nd's when the shooting happened. So it's been a while. Okay May 2nd. All right. Um let's see. So after speaking with investigators, the wife allegedly deleted 17 videos from their doorbell camera, and alleged she later texted a friend saying that she had permanently deleted the videos. Then she later told detectives she didn't know anything about the shooting, denied knowing that anybody came to their house, didn't know anything about what they're talking about.
SPEAKER_02Well, is that really is that really deleting evidence if the if the cops don't have have possession of it? It's just her own. I mean, I'm not defending this lady, but I'm just saying if it's her own data from ring, doesn't she have a right to delete it?
SPEAKER_03Or am I missing not not if there's a crime on it, no?
SPEAKER_02Really? Even if it's not in police custody.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't think that matters. Interesting. That'd be that'd be like it'd be like me at oh, that's my house. If I shoot somebody and it's caught on camera, well, if I delete that video, it didn't matter that it's my video. That's true.
SPEAKER_02That's a good point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I know it's different because it's like a doorbell camera. I know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I'm just like, wait a minute, that's my fucking shit.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're right. That's a good point. Still covering up. Yeah, it's just like, hey, hey, hey, you know, this is my computer. I can delete that child pornography if I want. Yeah, okay, I get your point, Larry.
SPEAKER_02Move on. Sorry. Dumbass midnight.
SPEAKER_03Right. So just uh just to refresh everybody's uh about this case. So it said that the surveillance video of the shooting that was attained by this by this newspaper showed the gig worker approaching the Riley's house. He had a plastic bag, he rings the doorbell, he puts up his hand like he's waving at the person. Uh and then it shows him uh you know going back to his car. It shows the owner of the house, John Riley. He comes out, he has a crossbody holster on, he comes out, he fires a shot into the yard, he yells go twice at the car, and then he fires one more time. Uh, and then as he fires that last shot, you can hear somebody cry out. And that's the shot that went through the back of the car, hit the guy in the back, and killed him.
SPEAKER_02So we didn't see all that video. We only saw the guy shooting because I didn't know he had delivered I thought he was lost. I didn't know he had walked up to the to the right, right?
SPEAKER_03No, we didn't see that in the first one. That was not in the first story we did. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03That had not all come out yet. I'm sure they hadn't, I'm sure they had to go to ring to get the video because she deleted it. So they had I'm sure they had to subpoena that forget all that. So I'm sure that took a while. Yeah, late.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we didn't know delete it. That shit's still there. They can't.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, yeah, it's it's in the cloud, it's it's not going away. Um, so yeah, we didn't we didn't know that. When we first talked about it, it sounded like you said that he was just driving around, yeah, and this guy comes out and is yelling at him.
SPEAKER_06Right.
SPEAKER_03Uh, but still, I mean, just because this guy came up to your door and knocked, that doesn't give you a right to fire shots at him.
SPEAKER_02Right. Yeah, well, no.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I know, I I know you didn't that didn't apply that. Yeah, well, you just wanted to be clear, right? For our audience. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And yeah, I don't know. Uh and and he's being represented, um uh course attorney saying he killed him in self-defense. Uh, and he's he's actually being represented by the same person uh who represented um let's see, Daniel Penny, the Marine in New York who put the chokehold on the guy and the guy ended up dying. Do you remember that story? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the subway car? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the same attorney is representing this guy.
SPEAKER_02So uh yeah, got some money. I don't know. It's it's not gonna go well. I mean, you can't just fire your gun like a fucking dick. Like there was no threat. There was no immediate threat.
SPEAKER_03There was yeah, the guy's driving off in his car. Yeah, and he's 200 yards away. Yeah. Um that pissed me off. But now, yeah, like I said, his his wife obviously covered up evidence, yeah. And now she's going to the pokey too. Yeah, good. Fuck them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, all right, let's uh I'm making executive decision. All right. Let's do nine and ten.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So uh number nine, uh, we'll play this um short video. Let's see how many how long this one is. Okay, it's like a minute and a half. So this is uh uh out of food delivery. I assume it should be what I'll say.
SPEAKER_04Thank you so much. And I'll clip on an app.
SPEAKER_05Do you have a wire? Huh? Do you have a pen?
SPEAKER_04Pin? A pen? Yeah, for your I don't know. I don't have a pen. Okay, so
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SPEAKER_04is that it? That's the last one. But this is the order, right?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it looks like a screenshot. Whatever sensory is the pin.
SPEAKER_04A screenshot? But you see that everything is that's in that bag is on its order.
SPEAKER_05Uh what you can do is contact uh, let me contact DoorDash.
SPEAKER_04Wait, what? Can you just look at the order and see it's the same thing that's on the order?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but it has to have a pen on it.
SPEAKER_04But can't you just do it without the pen? Like I did DoorDash before. You don't need the pen.
SPEAKER_05I can. That's why I'm gonna call them first because you know a lot of people like to report their stuff stolen if they received it without the pen.
SPEAKER_04So you're trying to say I'm gonna report it. You can't record just uh you can take a picture if you're giving it to me.
SPEAKER_03No, all right. So yeah, I'm curious to hear uh what your thoughts are on this. Would you would you have given them the food or no?
SPEAKER_02No, absolutely not. The driver did the right thing, uh, and it sounds like someone else may have ordered it. I think towards the end, she kind of like figured it out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he said it was a screenshot, yeah. And it's it the whole thing seemed weird because he's like, Well, it's usually the last four, and she gives it to him, and he's like, No, that's not it. And she goes, Okay, let me go get my other phone. Yeah, yeah. If you ordered it from another phone, then it would be that phone number, not the phone you have in your hand. And then if it's a screenshot, why do you have just a screenshot? Something's weird.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I actually don't think she was trying to be shady. I think she was being she was frustrated that she couldn't get it for whatever reason. Somebody else ordered it right uh for her. I don't know, but it is true, it is usually the last four of your phone number. Um, but no, I'm not giving her that shit. No, he may he literally stated why he didn't because people reported as stolen without a pin. Like I don't know now. I don't know, but I don't know if DoorDash sets that pin up for them because they've been shady customers and reported a lot of shit stolen, or if they just themselves because maybe they don't live in the greatest neighborhood and they don't want to get stolen. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yeah, I don't know either. Same way with the you know, ride share and stuff. Sometimes it's just sometimes it seems random, but yeah, I wouldn't give it to him either, you know, just for those reasons you stated. Sure enough, you give it to him and it comes back and reported not delivered, and that you know that that comes back on you as as the dasher.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and uh in the comments, everyone was like, Yeah, he's doing the right thing. Like, I don't know why you're fussing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and it shouldn't take long for him to contact DoorDash and get it worked out, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and once they say that they that you can drop it off, then you you know it's out of your hands, yeah. Yeah, and definitely screenshot that shit though. Like you may never need it, but like if Doordash says you may deliver it, screenshot it, put it in a folder somewhere so that when they save on save that for sure because you won't be able to get to it again once it's gone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that that we know for sure. Once it's off the screen, you're never gonna see it again.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it is out of there. Okay, so our last one's gonna be uh Instacart uh story here, and it's about 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_00Guys, I was cackling at this comment because you just know this was probably a male Instacart shopper that did this. She ordered members mark petite white hoagie rolls, but I want small hoagie rolls as shown and not potatoes. Somebody brought her a bag of potatoes instead of rolls, guys. Come on. I could totally understand her reasoning for comments. Like, no shame to her for putting detailed comments in this. This is so funny to me.
SPEAKER_02So uh Shelby, uh, I love Shelby. Um, she's a a creator on TikTok and does Instacart. And I gave her some shit for it, but I'm like, what? Why has it always got to be the males? I don't know. I said something like that. Um and so she gave me some love back. And I saw her on TikTok tonight because I told her I was gonna play it, so I'll clip it and send it to her. But um, that's some funny
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SPEAKER_02shit because if you look at it, it straight up looks like a bag of potatoes, man. It does, yeah. And that's a shame because I do use pictures as reference. Like that you should use both pieces of information. You know, you got the written and you got that. Now he did definitely, and I don't even know how it got delivered like that, though, because like isn't there like at least within the stuff? Well, exactly. If I scan friggin' potatoes and it's not gonna work. I I mean, maybe on Instacart, if you fight it enough, it lets you override it. Uh, a lot of times it'll say, is it either DoorDash or Uber? But it'll be like, hey, take I I'll let you override it, but you gotta take a picture and it sends it to the customer.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So at least they have some time to dispute it or whatever.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, and say, no, dumbass, that's not what I want.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. Like, how stupid are you? Uh, yes, it does. It does too look like potatoes, Josh. You can't even spell potatoes. Look at how you type that. Josh. Oh my god, I love you. Uh, it does. Larry agreed with me 100%. It looks like a bag of potatoes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, once you see it, you can't then see it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, maybe you're looking at it on a small phone, uh, Josh, and it doesn't, but like, yeah, it definitely looks like potatoes. But um, yeah, give giving hate to the males. I I try to do my best. I really do. I don't want to be that shopper, although I must be somewhat because I cannot get my rating on Spark above a 4.7. I mean, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I mean, I like I don't block the door, I keep it out of the rain, like I on apartments, I I knock on the door because I don't want it to get stolen. Like, I try to do all the things, but God, I cannot get above a 4.7.
SPEAKER_03So oh well.
SPEAKER_02Not good. Not good.
SPEAKER_03That happens.
SPEAKER_02It happens.
SPEAKER_03All righty. Well, uh, I think that's all we got for night. We will be on Patreon here in about eight minutes. So if you want to uh if you want to join the Patreon stream and you're not a member yet, go ahead and join. You can do that seven-day free trial. If you don't like it, you can um discontinue, won't be charged, but we we appreciate it if you do continue. Uh, you can even be part of the show on the Patreon stream. We have an option where you can actually join the show and be part of it. So we'll see you there in about eight minutes. Thanks everybody for watching tonight. And as always.
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